Forrest Griffin ahead of Noguiera? That is just too much right there...
Even Anderson Silva over Fedor is laughable... thats just UFC fanboys that think Anderson is more impressive. Fedor has fought all the top fighters and people act like he hasn't fought top competition... who does he have left to fight other than Randy Couture who just has too many legal problems? Anderson Silva has only beat 2 top guys in Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson and somehow he's considered the best MMA fighter... thats a joke.
Lyoto Machida should be ahead of BJ Penn... Lyoto Machida has beat BJ Penn and although it was out of Penn's weight division, Penn has too many blemishes in his career... Machidas easily the best light heavyweight in the world but because he's not that marketable, Dana doesnt wanna give him a title shot.
There is no official ranking, so they're all just as valid / invalid.
Anderson Silva over Fedor is not laughable. Fedor has fought a lot of tomato cans. Sure, he beat some good competition, but he's also faught people who were a joke considering his talent. Silva also actually fights on a regular basis, has an excellent MMA record, with one of his few loses coming as a result of a no-contest. (He KO'ed Okami with a heel kick from his back.) Silva CRUSHED Franklin, who cleaned out his division before that. He CRUSHED Henderson, who is a top fighter; having KO'ed Wanderlei Silva and ended his 5 year reign as the PRIDE champ. Don't forget how easily he dispatched Nate Marquardt, who is a several-time King of Pancrase.
Fedor has plenty of people left to fight, to MAINTAIN his status as #1. Tim Sylvia was his first legit competition in years. He was at the top years ago, but then so was Tito Ortiz.
In the end, it's just hearsay. The rankings are meaningless; all I want to see are good fights. Pound-for-pound is just a gimmick to drive web hits and word of mouth advertising.
And seriously, as a huge Machida fan, who has he beaten in recent history? His biggest win was over a washed up Tito Ortiz and a quick win over Sokoudjou, a guy with a lot of raw talent who still needs time to develop. He's going to get his title shot soon enough, but the fact is that UFC books fights based on crowd appeal first, and subjective rankings second.
BJ Penn is one of the best for many reasons. For starters, he got his BJJ black belt faster than ANYONE in history, dominated the fuck out of Matt Hughes until his rib seperated, lost a razor-thin split-decision to GSP, tore apart Sean Sherk, destroyed Joe Stevenson, and rag-dolled Jens Pulver (he was toying with him in their last fight, he ended it when he felt like doing so).
"Never attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity."
It could be worse. If Dana White gave his top 10 list,Lesner would have been in the top 3 lolol
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PETERBOROUGH PETE: It could be worse. If Dana White gave his top 10 list,Lesner would have been in the top 3 lolol
Why would that matter, it's his top 10? Joe Silva is the match-maker, not Dana White.
And I doubt it, considering Dana has gone on record stating that Brock could be biting off more than he can chew.
I disagree Derek...I truly believe that Brock is gonna win.. I KNOW IT SOUNDS FUCKING CRAZY
No, it's not that crazy; I'm of that opinion too. Randy's biggest asset in the fight is his game planning, which isn't so helpful against Brock. Even in the Heath fight, all we really found out is that an ex-NCAA wrestler can smother someone after smashing him with a punch that would have KO'ed most men. I also picked Brock over Herring.
I was referring to Dana's general statements before the Herring fight.
I think Brock wants and needs it more....One thing for sure,regardless of the outcome, A REMATCH HAS MONEY WRITTEN ALL OVER IT...
Rankings are always going to be subjective rather than objective, so there's always going to be those differeing opinions on how they should be compiled and who should be arted where. But what I'm curious about, is there a source that the fans use as sort of the quasi-official set of rankings for the sport?
Save for the few years after the 1977 scandal directly involving the magazine, since the early 1920's The Ring's rankings have been the most respected ones in the sport of boxing, and have been, for the most part, viewed by the fans as the "official" set avaiable to them to keep track of whom the best fighters were for each weight class.
I use to browse MMA Review's ranking perdiodically over the years, and since they have started compiling them in recent times, have now largely moved on to browse Sherdog's rankings. Due to the site's popularity, is it maybe Sherdog who has that distinction if anybody does?
You're probably right, regarding Sherdog. Their fight-finder is basically the industry standard for fighter win / loss records, despite its flaws.
As for Lesnar / Couture, yeah a rematch definitelty spells money, unless Brock gets KO'ed in the opening minutes. Frankly, I don't have an issue with that fight; it's better than keeping the title in limbo while we wait for TUF to finish airing.
I'll take Brock against Randy Couture... I've bet on Frank Mir and Heath Herring but after hearing Couture say hes going to be in the ring at 225 pounds... how does he plan to beat Lesnar? Lesnar will just do what he did to Herring and sit on top of him... I'm sure his camp is telling Lesnar to work with his strength of wrestling... especially for a guy like Couture who is used to grinding out his opponents and controlling them around the octagon... I can't see how Couture will be able to control Lesnar
To be fair, Brock's weight is in line with Tim Sylvia's, and Randy handled him pretty well, same with Gonzaga. The problem will be if Brock asserts himself early and wears Randy down, or bashes his head in with those anvils he calls hands.
Wrestling is just as much leverage as it is strength; Randy may not look superhuman, but the kind of core strength wrestling develops isn't the rippling bicep type, it's functional strength. Also, Randy has some excellent submission skills; having gone to a draw with "Jacare" DeSouza, one of the world's top BJJ guys, in a submission grappling match.
If Randy wins, I'm predicting rear-naked choke.... Then again, does Brock even have a neck!?
Until the UFC relinquishes weight divisions. Pound for pound rankings offer little insight.
Nobody in the top 10 would beat Fedor. I guess that makes him the pound for pound best fighter in the world.
Monster: Nobody in the top 10 would beat Fedor. I guess that makes him the pound for pound best fighter in the world.
He refuses to fight in a cage, so that argument can't really be made.
I'm not a big fan of the pound-for-pound term and how it's used (or overused) nowadays with the rankings and such, but considering how long it's been around as a way of comparing things of different sizes*, I do disagree with Derek's comments about it being nothing but a "gimmick".
*The term goes way back to at least the early 1800's in print with numerous references of it being used to compare nutritional value in foods, value in minerals, lumber, and things of that nature. It was also used in combat sports (boxing, catch wrestling) going at least as far back as the late 1800's, early 1900's when referenced in print to Bob Fitzsimmons, Farmer Burns, and other well accomplished competitors of both sports.
Derek: Monster: Nobody in the top 10 would beat Fedor. I guess that makes him the pound for pound best fighter in the world. He refuses to fight in a cage, so that argument can't really be made.
Speaking of a cage, I feel Couture would only have a chance at beating Fedor if the fight took place in a cage. Couture would have no chance against Fedor in a ring. I guess we will never know.